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When I say I can’t believe they put me on this jury, I don’t mean it for the reasons that many people may assume. I actually don’t think you can be thrown off a civil jury in this town for being a freak or a non-gun-toting commie anymore. First of all they don’t care and aren’t asking. Second of all, the reaction to many potential juror’s eliminate-me-please monologues was more along the lines of "Yawn… ho hum … so what". Lawyers are nothing if not a jaded people.

No, I was surprised I was on the jury because the defense lawyer grilled me on two points important to the case yet didn’t eliminate me. The plaintiff was claiming post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of being hit by the defendant’s car. When asked if anyone was familiar with PTSD, I raised my hand, one of only two of the 24 potential jurors. I refused to spill out the exact details of my experience being intimately involved with friends with PTSD, but I did admit that I felt differently about family induced abuse than the remnants of accidental trauma. "Unless someone’s gonna argue that he ran his car into her intentionally to show his power and control over her and for his own sick kicks, I don’t think that the fact PTSD is being claimed would make me a biased juror," I replied.*

I also discussed a permanent work injury that I have. When he asked if I sued for damages I relied, "No, but I didn’t think I would still feel pain from it a decade later either." I also thought the judge might not like me because I stopped the jury questioning at one point and told her that it was time for a bathroom break. $15 a day doesn’t buy my servility and hell, I wasn’t even getting paid that day. Many of my fellow jurors thanked me as I urinated, a social situation for which there is no Miss Manners column.

Clearly I could have gotten off the jury if I really wanted to. The best way to get off a jury was simply to make a public asshole of yourself, something I have never been very good at. Seriously, sometimes I wish I had that skill. Generally, it’s something urban kids do better than suburban ones and even though I’ve lived in this city 17 years it’s still something I have trouble with.

Sometimes people ask where all the native San Franciscans are. Obviously gentrification and this city being a destination for post-college kids to find themselves has made it preferable for many people who grew up here to leave. But man, the ones that are here seem to be at 400 McCallister. When you introduce yourself to the lawyers and judge you have to say your name, occupation, neighborhood, marital status, occupation of adults you live with and years you’ve lived in SF. My 17 years seemed like the bottom of the scale.

Jury selection was different this time than when I had gone to criminal court. Instead of answering questions one by one, the lawyers asked broad questions and asked if people had strong reactions. Since this was a personal injury case, the tort reform folks were the first to identify themselves. One woman, experienced in avoiding jury service it would seem, imediately volunteered that she would never, under any circumstances, give monetary awards for pain and suffering even though it is the law. Others calculated the angles and saw this as the way to go, echoing the first woman and opining about hot McDonald’s coffee and the other bogeymen of lawsuit reform.

On the other side were the people who seemed to be obviously on the side of the plaintiff, people mad at San Francisco drivers in general and their disregard for pedestrians and traffic laws. There weren’t quite as many angle-workers here because one of the first folks to speak had her father killed in an accident very similar to the case we were hearing and that was a hard act to follow.

Still, I was surprised at the level of discourse going on during voir dire. People unfamiliar with torts (which are basically monetary awards for things that can’t be replaced e.g. pain and suffering in addition to regular doctor’s bills) asked smart questions and the lawyers answered them, even discussing the theoretical underpinnings of the US legal system. The brutal nature of the US lack of safety nets was also there for anyone who wanted to notice. Most people are one accident away from destitution, either as the injured or the one with a momentary lack of judgement having to pay off someone else’s medical bills and attendant care.

I was also interrogated about my job. No one flinched at "cooperative" but the plaintiff lawyer asked what a cheesemonger is.

"I buy and sell cheese," I replied.

Trying to be folksy he replied, "Oooh, got any recommendations?"

"Don’t get me started," I answered. I clipped my words to let him know he was not my friend. The other jurors laughed. Then hit me up for cheese advice during the break.

Nearly eight hours after our day began, they called us back into the room to announce the jury. I was gathering my things assuming I’d be eliminated. Instead, they called out the names of those folks dismissed and I was the last juror chosen.



*I wasn’t quite that coherent really.

Date: 2006-02-27 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com
This needs to be in a zine called Anarchists for the State.

Date: 2006-02-27 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
hahaha. yeah, I'm not an anarchist, I'm anarch-ish.

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Date: 2006-02-27 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com
Fascinating; thanks for posting this.

I had no idea that cheesemongers suffered as many requests for free advice as doctors and lawyers do.

Date: 2006-02-27 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
well, at least they don't pull down their pants and ask me to look at their cheese.

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Date: 2006-02-27 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nationofsheep.livejournal.com
Yes that is fascinating. I have a jury duty coming soon that I have been delaying because you can do that easily in Houston. I will post my experience if I find anything interesting to say.

Date: 2006-02-27 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clover44.livejournal.com
Really interesting post!

Many of my fellow jurors thanked me as I urinated, a social situation for which there is no Miss Manners column

That is hysterical!!!

Date: 2006-02-27 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strix-an-stones.livejournal.com
Agreed!!!

I am so friending gordonzola.

Date: 2006-02-27 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vestalvixen.livejournal.com
Ooh, I think I got $25 a day. Of course, I fell asleep in the juror's box, and on the trip to see the property the trial was about.

I'm the only person I hang out with who is actually from the city of Boston. I don't know what this means.

Date: 2006-02-27 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
I think it means you hate Boston.

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never been picked

Date: 2006-02-27 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jette.livejournal.com
The best way to get off a jury is to have a strong opinion about the case.* ("She's suing the city for that? Now, this is exactly what is wrong with America today!") The second best way is to tell them you just never know when you're going to be on a ton of painkillers and not be able to pay attention.

Does this make me an asshole?

*My favorite related story was when my boss at Jelani House was up for a concealed weapons charge trial and stood up and said, "my husband's a cop, and frankly, everyone should carry a concealed weapon!"

Re: never been picked

Date: 2006-02-27 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
I can pretty much guarantee I'll never be on a criminal case. For one, I would not promise to uphold the law and the judges rulings even if I disagree.

and Jette, you're not an asshole if you actually believe it. and really, I don't think people are really assholes just because they wanna get off a jury. $15/day makes jury service impossible for most people It's fucking ridiculous.

I didn't try to get off, which is not the same as trying to get on because it was a short trial and I was honestly curious.

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Date: 2006-02-27 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabotabby
Can I post this to [livejournal.com profile] metaquotes?

I'm also really envious that I never get picked for jury duty.

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for future ref

Date: 2006-02-27 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosetta--stone.livejournal.com
yo you are so added

makes me long for the daze of Cincinattus and the citizen politicians as opposed to the careerists?

you write well is what I M trying to say?

Re: for future ref

Date: 2006-02-27 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
well, thank you. and I loved the Minutemen movie too.

Date: 2006-02-27 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skygoodwill.livejournal.com
I enjoy your writing. And great occupation!

Date: 2006-02-27 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
Awww, thanks. There are plenty of cheese entries in my tags.

Date: 2006-02-27 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queencallipygos.livejournal.com
I wandered in from [livejournal.com profile] metaquotes, and have a thought -- I once opined that I had been to jury duty three times and never got picked for a case, and one of my friends said that that was probably because "you seem like you'd consider things carefully." Which I would. So I asked why that would be a problem, and he said, "think about it - if you were a lawyer, wouldn't you want someone on the jury that would be easily convinced one way or the other, rather than someone who would be always saying, 'now, wait a minute, let's look at this one detail here'?" ...It made sense.

Although the very best jury story I heard was from a guy I know who was a big JFK assassination conspiracy theory buff, and was sitting in voir dire in the early 90's -- and when the defense attorney stood up, it was JFK Jr. He said it was all he could do to stop himself from jumping up and interrupting everything to ask, "Hang on a second, I gotta know -- dude, what do you think of the single-bullet theory??"

Date: 2006-02-27 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
That's a good jury story!

I don't know about the thoughtful. Could be, but I suppose it depends on the case and the city. I am offering nothing here but anecdotal experience.

Date: 2006-02-27 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georgia1313.livejournal.com
You're making me nervous for some reason. I have to show up for jury duty next week and I plan to be honest and non evasive, but it sounds so fucking boring! I hope I get a more black-and-white case then it seems you got. My boyfriend recently almost got on a trial that involved a homeless man secretly jacking off on Bart...my boyfriend wasn't picked for service.

Date: 2006-02-27 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
hahaha. That seems like a straightforward case. Though I can imagine the witness interogation:

Defense lawyer: isn't it true, Witness, that the defendent may have simply been scratching a really bad itch?

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Date: 2006-02-27 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisisthenow.livejournal.com
Maybe, like the contestants on "American Idol", you just happened to have that "look", that "star quality", that je ne sais quoi. Or maybe the guy was impressed with your cheesey-styley*!


*BTW I don't know what that means.

Date: 2006-02-27 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supremegoddess1.livejournal.com
Metaquote follower, here. Very amusing entry...I'm friending you.

On the job note - I'm a psychologist, and if I had a dollar for everytime someone says "oh, so you can tell me what's wrong with me then, huh? hahhaha..." I would *so* be a rich woman.

Date: 2006-02-27 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
I hope your response is something along the lines of:

"Well, your problem is that you think your issues can be solved that easily. My professional opinion is that your problems are big ones. Make an appointment and commit to at least two years of work and maybe we can figure out some of your root issues."

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Date: 2006-02-27 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klawzie.livejournal.com
Wandering over from metaquotes..... you really are an interesting person and a good writer. :3 I've Friended you (you have no obligation to return it) and (here's where the compliment comes in) bookmarking you in my LJ folder under [livejournal.com profile] ursulav.

PS: More Jury stories? :D

Date: 2006-02-28 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
Thanks. and there will be at least one more jury story... when I get a chance to write it.

Date: 2006-02-28 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baldanders.livejournal.com
It really gripes my ass that the Big Lie of the McDonald's coffee case was so successfully put over on the public. Everyone who casually dismisses that case shold get to find out what it's like to have third-degree burns, skin grafts, and permament nerve damage from illegally hot coffee spilled on them when they're eighty years old.

Date: 2006-02-28 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
totally. I was going to bring that up actually but I couldn't remember the facts enough to fight "common knowledge" that way.

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Date: 2006-02-28 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slipkid.livejournal.com
Ah, but you haven't told us what the Defendant looked like. In all probability there was insurance involved and the Plaintiff was asking for money than the insurance adjuster felt the case was worth and he felt he would have counsel carry his spear and try his luck at trial. I bet he rolled the dice and lost though. I am still waiting for that part of the story.

Date: 2006-02-28 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slipkid.livejournal.com
"for MORE money"

My other jury rides a broom

Date: 2006-02-28 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chitinous.livejournal.com
Yeah, my favorite voir dire moment at the jury I served on last year was when the attorneys were asking us all whether we thought chiropractic was a valid medical modality, and the one jackass who would have obviously sold his grandmother to get dismissed went off on a big monologue about how "Chiropractors are all WITCH DOCTORS. All of them. I can't think of anything good to say about them. Curmudgeon curmudgeon they are full of LIES, LIES, etc."

Date: 2006-03-03 07:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kest
I wonder if longterm residents are more likely to make it to jury duty because they're more likely to have made it into the system as citizens and less likely to have moved since? (I've never had a jury duty notice in a place where I've lived. I've had them twice sent to places I no longer lived.)

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