Jury stories #2
Feb. 27th, 2006 10:23 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
When I say I can’t believe they put me on this jury, I don’t mean it for the reasons that many people may assume. I actually don’t think you can be thrown off a civil jury in this town for being a freak or a non-gun-toting commie anymore. First of all they don’t care and aren’t asking. Second of all, the reaction to many potential juror’s eliminate-me-please monologues was more along the lines of "Yawn… ho hum … so what". Lawyers are nothing if not a jaded people.
No, I was surprised I was on the jury because the defense lawyer grilled me on two points important to the case yet didn’t eliminate me. The plaintiff was claiming post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of being hit by the defendant’s car. When asked if anyone was familiar with PTSD, I raised my hand, one of only two of the 24 potential jurors. I refused to spill out the exact details of my experience being intimately involved with friends with PTSD, but I did admit that I felt differently about family induced abuse than the remnants of accidental trauma. "Unless someone’s gonna argue that he ran his car into her intentionally to show his power and control over her and for his own sick kicks, I don’t think that the fact PTSD is being claimed would make me a biased juror," I replied.*
I also discussed a permanent work injury that I have. When he asked if I sued for damages I relied, "No, but I didn’t think I would still feel pain from it a decade later either." I also thought the judge might not like me because I stopped the jury questioning at one point and told her that it was time for a bathroom break. $15 a day doesn’t buy my servility and hell, I wasn’t even getting paid that day. Many of my fellow jurors thanked me as I urinated, a social situation for which there is no Miss Manners column.
Clearly I could have gotten off the jury if I really wanted to. The best way to get off a jury was simply to make a public asshole of yourself, something I have never been very good at. Seriously, sometimes I wish I had that skill. Generally, it’s something urban kids do better than suburban ones and even though I’ve lived in this city 17 years it’s still something I have trouble with.
Sometimes people ask where all the native San Franciscans are. Obviously gentrification and this city being a destination for post-college kids to find themselves has made it preferable for many people who grew up here to leave. But man, the ones that are here seem to be at 400 McCallister. When you introduce yourself to the lawyers and judge you have to say your name, occupation, neighborhood, marital status, occupation of adults you live with and years you’ve lived in SF. My 17 years seemed like the bottom of the scale.
Jury selection was different this time than when I had gone to criminal court. Instead of answering questions one by one, the lawyers asked broad questions and asked if people had strong reactions. Since this was a personal injury case, the tort reform folks were the first to identify themselves. One woman, experienced in avoiding jury service it would seem, imediately volunteered that she would never, under any circumstances, give monetary awards for pain and suffering even though it is the law. Others calculated the angles and saw this as the way to go, echoing the first woman and opining about hot McDonald’s coffee and the other bogeymen of lawsuit reform.
On the other side were the people who seemed to be obviously on the side of the plaintiff, people mad at San Francisco drivers in general and their disregard for pedestrians and traffic laws. There weren’t quite as many angle-workers here because one of the first folks to speak had her father killed in an accident very similar to the case we were hearing and that was a hard act to follow.
Still, I was surprised at the level of discourse going on during voir dire. People unfamiliar with torts (which are basically monetary awards for things that can’t be replaced e.g. pain and suffering in addition to regular doctor’s bills) asked smart questions and the lawyers answered them, even discussing the theoretical underpinnings of the US legal system. The brutal nature of the US lack of safety nets was also there for anyone who wanted to notice. Most people are one accident away from destitution, either as the injured or the one with a momentary lack of judgement having to pay off someone else’s medical bills and attendant care.
I was also interrogated about my job. No one flinched at "cooperative" but the plaintiff lawyer asked what a cheesemonger is.
"I buy and sell cheese," I replied.
Trying to be folksy he replied, "Oooh, got any recommendations?"
"Don’t get me started," I answered. I clipped my words to let him know he was not my friend. The other jurors laughed. Then hit me up for cheese advice during the break.
Nearly eight hours after our day began, they called us back into the room to announce the jury. I was gathering my things assuming I’d be eliminated. Instead, they called out the names of those folks dismissed and I was the last juror chosen.
*I wasn’t quite that coherent really.
No, I was surprised I was on the jury because the defense lawyer grilled me on two points important to the case yet didn’t eliminate me. The plaintiff was claiming post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of being hit by the defendant’s car. When asked if anyone was familiar with PTSD, I raised my hand, one of only two of the 24 potential jurors. I refused to spill out the exact details of my experience being intimately involved with friends with PTSD, but I did admit that I felt differently about family induced abuse than the remnants of accidental trauma. "Unless someone’s gonna argue that he ran his car into her intentionally to show his power and control over her and for his own sick kicks, I don’t think that the fact PTSD is being claimed would make me a biased juror," I replied.*
I also discussed a permanent work injury that I have. When he asked if I sued for damages I relied, "No, but I didn’t think I would still feel pain from it a decade later either." I also thought the judge might not like me because I stopped the jury questioning at one point and told her that it was time for a bathroom break. $15 a day doesn’t buy my servility and hell, I wasn’t even getting paid that day. Many of my fellow jurors thanked me as I urinated, a social situation for which there is no Miss Manners column.
Clearly I could have gotten off the jury if I really wanted to. The best way to get off a jury was simply to make a public asshole of yourself, something I have never been very good at. Seriously, sometimes I wish I had that skill. Generally, it’s something urban kids do better than suburban ones and even though I’ve lived in this city 17 years it’s still something I have trouble with.
Sometimes people ask where all the native San Franciscans are. Obviously gentrification and this city being a destination for post-college kids to find themselves has made it preferable for many people who grew up here to leave. But man, the ones that are here seem to be at 400 McCallister. When you introduce yourself to the lawyers and judge you have to say your name, occupation, neighborhood, marital status, occupation of adults you live with and years you’ve lived in SF. My 17 years seemed like the bottom of the scale.
Jury selection was different this time than when I had gone to criminal court. Instead of answering questions one by one, the lawyers asked broad questions and asked if people had strong reactions. Since this was a personal injury case, the tort reform folks were the first to identify themselves. One woman, experienced in avoiding jury service it would seem, imediately volunteered that she would never, under any circumstances, give monetary awards for pain and suffering even though it is the law. Others calculated the angles and saw this as the way to go, echoing the first woman and opining about hot McDonald’s coffee and the other bogeymen of lawsuit reform.
On the other side were the people who seemed to be obviously on the side of the plaintiff, people mad at San Francisco drivers in general and their disregard for pedestrians and traffic laws. There weren’t quite as many angle-workers here because one of the first folks to speak had her father killed in an accident very similar to the case we were hearing and that was a hard act to follow.
Still, I was surprised at the level of discourse going on during voir dire. People unfamiliar with torts (which are basically monetary awards for things that can’t be replaced e.g. pain and suffering in addition to regular doctor’s bills) asked smart questions and the lawyers answered them, even discussing the theoretical underpinnings of the US legal system. The brutal nature of the US lack of safety nets was also there for anyone who wanted to notice. Most people are one accident away from destitution, either as the injured or the one with a momentary lack of judgement having to pay off someone else’s medical bills and attendant care.
I was also interrogated about my job. No one flinched at "cooperative" but the plaintiff lawyer asked what a cheesemonger is.
"I buy and sell cheese," I replied.
Trying to be folksy he replied, "Oooh, got any recommendations?"
"Don’t get me started," I answered. I clipped my words to let him know he was not my friend. The other jurors laughed. Then hit me up for cheese advice during the break.
Nearly eight hours after our day began, they called us back into the room to announce the jury. I was gathering my things assuming I’d be eliminated. Instead, they called out the names of those folks dismissed and I was the last juror chosen.
*I wasn’t quite that coherent really.
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Date: 2006-02-27 06:47 pm (UTC)I had no idea that cheesemongers suffered as many requests for free advice as doctors and lawyers do.
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Date: 2006-02-27 06:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2006-02-27 06:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-27 06:58 pm (UTC)Many of my fellow jurors thanked me as I urinated, a social situation for which there is no Miss Manners column
That is hysterical!!!
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Date: 2006-02-27 08:03 pm (UTC)I am so friending gordonzola.
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:00 pm (UTC)I'm the only person I hang out with who is actually from the city of Boston. I don't know what this means.
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Date: 2006-02-27 08:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Does this make me an asshole?
*My favorite related story was when my boss at Jelani House was up for a concealed weapons charge trial and stood up and said, "my husband's a cop, and frankly, everyone should carry a concealed weapon!"
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:15 pm (UTC)and Jette, you're not an asshole if you actually believe it. and really, I don't think people are really assholes just because they wanna get off a jury. $15/day makes jury service impossible for most people It's fucking ridiculous.
I didn't try to get off, which is not the same as trying to get on because it was a short trial and I was honestly curious.
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:16 pm (UTC)I'm also really envious that I never get picked for jury duty.
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:16 pm (UTC)makes me long for the daze of Cincinattus and the citizen politicians as opposed to the careerists?
you write well is what I M trying to say?
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:55 pm (UTC)Although the very best jury story I heard was from a guy I know who was a big JFK assassination conspiracy theory buff, and was sitting in voir dire in the early 90's -- and when the defense attorney stood up, it was JFK Jr. He said it was all he could do to stop himself from jumping up and interrupting everything to ask, "Hang on a second, I gotta know -- dude, what do you think of the single-bullet theory??"
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Date: 2006-02-27 10:34 pm (UTC)I don't know about the thoughtful. Could be, but I suppose it depends on the case and the city. I am offering nothing here but anecdotal experience.
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Date: 2006-02-27 08:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-27 08:28 pm (UTC)Defense lawyer: isn't it true, Witness, that the defendent may have simply been scratching a really bad itch?
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Date: 2006-02-27 09:43 pm (UTC)*BTW I don't know what that means.
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Date: 2006-02-27 09:56 pm (UTC)On the job note - I'm a psychologist, and if I had a dollar for everytime someone says "oh, so you can tell me what's wrong with me then, huh? hahhaha..." I would *so* be a rich woman.
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Date: 2006-02-27 10:37 pm (UTC)"Well, your problem is that you think your issues can be solved that easily. My professional opinion is that your problems are big ones. Make an appointment and commit to at least two years of work and maybe we can figure out some of your root issues."
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Date: 2006-02-27 11:59 pm (UTC)PS: More Jury stories? :D
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Date: 2006-02-28 12:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-28 12:50 am (UTC)My other jury rides a broom
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