Heirarchy of mourning
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It’s been an odd week. I guess weeks with death in them tend to be weird. I guess I’d like to keep it that way too, come to think of it. I spent my week working, drinking, baking kugels for two sets of mourning Jews and, ironically or non-ironically (I can’t tell anymore), watching a DVD of "Dead Like Me" episodes.
One thing about the aftermath of death that I find particularly tricky is the hierarchy of mourning. Unless its one’s lover, parent or child who dies, it seems there is always someone closer, someone hurting more. Because I am fairly sensitive to issues like that I tend to defer.
Certainly with Jonny’s death I was not a first tier mourner. I was part of the larger mutual aid network, but not someone who was a caretaker and intimate. I was sad and upset. I do feel the loss and miss my meanly funny Jewish holiday buddy. I would have bawled at the memorial if it hadn’t been run by his distant family and almost bereft of the Jonny I knew. I am a bawler.
For a man who found family in his friends it was odd that the family was so central in his memorial. That reflected their world-view not his. I don’t know if it’s traditional, but there was a receiving line upon the conclusion of the memorial. To leave the synagogue one went and greeted the family. It was so wrong. Distant relations who vaguely knew their "bohemian artist" relative were star mourners while people who did his laundry, cleaned his house, fed him, and sustained him for nearly two years were treated as guests.*
Last week people sent me sympathy for all the death and memorials I’ve had recently. While appreciated, I feel it’s somewhat misplaced. Besides the obvious fact that others have dealt with a lot more death in their lives (certainly folks in West Oakland who I do co-op stuff with. Re-scheduling a meeting due to a memorial is, while not common, also not surprising.) most of my deaths haven’t been in my smaller circle of intimates.
Leslie in 1989 was a part of our political collectives when she died in a car wreck in Arizona. I was hurt but not close enough to be devastated and immobilized like many of my friends. Plus I had a car, so I did the errands: picked up food and a memorial tree, shuttled people back and forth, and drove down some state highway with friends to find relief in a way that only Americans can, by driving way too fast.
Jamaal was
jactitation’s death but I felt it in support and learned how fucked up family can be in times of grief.
I almost got into my only fight as an adult after Chris’s death. My co-workers and I were at Zeitgeist and semi-dressed up from a memorial. Some drunk started giving us shit for being yuppies and I stepped up and explained to him very clearly that we were at a bike messenger bar, mourning a bike messenger who got killed while riding his bike after another bike messenger’s funeral. Then I told him to shut the fuck up. I was ready to go too, in a way that I never have been before or since. He backed down and bought us a couple of pitchers to admit he was wrong. It was not a role I’ve ever played before, but I could in this case so I did. Some friends of Chris still bring it up in appreciation.
Ron I consciously kept distance with because, honestly, he always scared me a little no matter how much I liked him. His memorial was a reunion of Novato punk rockers. We stood amidst the iron workers and family members and remembered how much we love each other even if we are in different cities and don’t see each other much. It was then I realized that certain ties won’t break. Those days bonded us forever.
At Rachael’s death I was a first tier mourner to the only person I cared about there,
comicbookgrrrl. But I was stealth. Rachael had stopped communicating with her parents, if they even cared, by the time we became close. CBG and I sat in the back of the yoga center and bawled for the friend we hadn’t seen in years. Then we went to the grave and bawled. Then we went to the bar and bawled. But my only responsibility, besides to Rachael’s memory, was to CBG. No one knew me enough to include me in the family memorial decisions which I am incredibly thankful for because I didn’t want to deal with them.
The problem with this perception of a hierarchy of mourning is that we all feel things differently. We mourn for different aspects of the same person, we mourn for different friends/family/lovers at the funeral of another, we mourn ourselves and what we’ve lost both specifically and of our own hopes and dreams. It can’t be cleanly placed. Death can bring out some really ugly things in the people left behind, but I think the concept of competitive mourning is really harmful. I might think it was just me who felt it, but I have talked to enough people over the years to realize that almost no one, beyond the aforementioned lover/parent/child category, knows where to fit in at times like these.
A sense of the feelings of others is important because it’s a basic building block of community. Accepting of a diversity of mourning is equally important because while some people may have material and emotional needs, mourning alone is one of the saddest things in the world. Obviously there can be real differences in the depth of despair and loss. Acknowledge that and move on with the task of taking care of each other and remembering the one no longer with us.
* I did appreciate that, in honor of Jonny’s sense of humor they made the rabbi get up and tell a "A rabbi walks into a bar…" joke. Oddly, the rabbi was just getting over a flu and sounded exactly like the therapist in "The Sopranos".
One thing about the aftermath of death that I find particularly tricky is the hierarchy of mourning. Unless its one’s lover, parent or child who dies, it seems there is always someone closer, someone hurting more. Because I am fairly sensitive to issues like that I tend to defer.
Certainly with Jonny’s death I was not a first tier mourner. I was part of the larger mutual aid network, but not someone who was a caretaker and intimate. I was sad and upset. I do feel the loss and miss my meanly funny Jewish holiday buddy. I would have bawled at the memorial if it hadn’t been run by his distant family and almost bereft of the Jonny I knew. I am a bawler.
For a man who found family in his friends it was odd that the family was so central in his memorial. That reflected their world-view not his. I don’t know if it’s traditional, but there was a receiving line upon the conclusion of the memorial. To leave the synagogue one went and greeted the family. It was so wrong. Distant relations who vaguely knew their "bohemian artist" relative were star mourners while people who did his laundry, cleaned his house, fed him, and sustained him for nearly two years were treated as guests.*
Last week people sent me sympathy for all the death and memorials I’ve had recently. While appreciated, I feel it’s somewhat misplaced. Besides the obvious fact that others have dealt with a lot more death in their lives (certainly folks in West Oakland who I do co-op stuff with. Re-scheduling a meeting due to a memorial is, while not common, also not surprising.) most of my deaths haven’t been in my smaller circle of intimates.
Leslie in 1989 was a part of our political collectives when she died in a car wreck in Arizona. I was hurt but not close enough to be devastated and immobilized like many of my friends. Plus I had a car, so I did the errands: picked up food and a memorial tree, shuttled people back and forth, and drove down some state highway with friends to find relief in a way that only Americans can, by driving way too fast.
Jamaal was
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I almost got into my only fight as an adult after Chris’s death. My co-workers and I were at Zeitgeist and semi-dressed up from a memorial. Some drunk started giving us shit for being yuppies and I stepped up and explained to him very clearly that we were at a bike messenger bar, mourning a bike messenger who got killed while riding his bike after another bike messenger’s funeral. Then I told him to shut the fuck up. I was ready to go too, in a way that I never have been before or since. He backed down and bought us a couple of pitchers to admit he was wrong. It was not a role I’ve ever played before, but I could in this case so I did. Some friends of Chris still bring it up in appreciation.
Ron I consciously kept distance with because, honestly, he always scared me a little no matter how much I liked him. His memorial was a reunion of Novato punk rockers. We stood amidst the iron workers and family members and remembered how much we love each other even if we are in different cities and don’t see each other much. It was then I realized that certain ties won’t break. Those days bonded us forever.
At Rachael’s death I was a first tier mourner to the only person I cared about there,
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The problem with this perception of a hierarchy of mourning is that we all feel things differently. We mourn for different aspects of the same person, we mourn for different friends/family/lovers at the funeral of another, we mourn ourselves and what we’ve lost both specifically and of our own hopes and dreams. It can’t be cleanly placed. Death can bring out some really ugly things in the people left behind, but I think the concept of competitive mourning is really harmful. I might think it was just me who felt it, but I have talked to enough people over the years to realize that almost no one, beyond the aforementioned lover/parent/child category, knows where to fit in at times like these.
A sense of the feelings of others is important because it’s a basic building block of community. Accepting of a diversity of mourning is equally important because while some people may have material and emotional needs, mourning alone is one of the saddest things in the world. Obviously there can be real differences in the depth of despair and loss. Acknowledge that and move on with the task of taking care of each other and remembering the one no longer with us.
* I did appreciate that, in honor of Jonny’s sense of humor they made the rabbi get up and tell a "A rabbi walks into a bar…" joke. Oddly, the rabbi was just getting over a flu and sounded exactly like the therapist in "The Sopranos".
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Date: 2006-01-16 06:26 pm (UTC)But I was gratified to see the sheer number of people who attended, and for a few moments I was able to forgive the distance many of them had kept during her long illness. There really are no hierachies of the experience of death.
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Date: 2006-01-16 06:28 pm (UTC)I forgot Shiner's memorial. I had met her and liked her, but I went for her husband and their children. They sat shiva all week and their community brought food and shared stories every night.
I always thought the ral idea of shiva was that by the end of the week you're so sick of talking about death that you actually want to move on. Though actually i guess that's what Jahrzeit is for. I only know the Jewish stuff without the god aspects.
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Date: 2006-01-16 06:34 pm (UTC)thank you for being you.
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Date: 2006-01-16 07:12 pm (UTC)but seriously, some have for me. Leslie's was great though I think there was a more formal one where she grew up that I didn't attend. It depends who organizes them and who they are for. by friends/for friends can be amazing.
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Date: 2006-01-16 06:53 pm (UTC)I also feel a lot of anger about unfulfilled potential and unfairness and stuff like that. It's hard for me to accept that certain people are dead, so the mourning goes on and on, and can be fresh and shocking when I let myself remember the person's absence, or something reminds me that he or she is not there.
All of this, and I haven't even faced any "first tier" deaths, yet -- no immediate family or lovers or really, really close friends.
Thanks for writing this. I hope you're doing well, G; it's been a long time.
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Date: 2006-01-16 07:13 pm (UTC)It's funny, when my grandma died, I remember trying not to lose my shit 'cause my aunt and uncle were in the room. It seemed disrespectful to bawl loudly because, c'mon, she was their MOTHER. That's kind of dumb looking back on it. I just remember when my classmate Gustavo died in sophomore year of HS, a lot of people went to his funeral, and this theatrical (it was SOTA acting program) attention-hungry Senior, who had never said more than 5 words to Gustavo, was falling apart. I mean screaming, wailing, bawling- he ACTUALLY swooned and had to be caught! Meanwhile, Gustavo's lifelong best friend was standing there stoically, and Gustavo's parents were totally puzzled, and quietly asking people in Spanish who this person having hysterics was and how he knew their son. It was so ugly. I just never want to be that person.
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Date: 2006-01-16 07:18 pm (UTC)yeah, totally.
The Gustavo reaction is one end of the spectrum obviously, but it's also hard to gauge why people react the way they do. It could also be for a death they couldn't deal with at the time or something. Those death emotions are tricky and bubble up in weird places.
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Date: 2006-01-16 07:45 pm (UTC)Of course, the money never materialized, but they got to talk about helping their old friend out and feel magnanimous for a few afternoons, which was just as good.
It felt like a vampire attack. Where were all of my dad's Best Friends while he was slowly dying of cancer, or after his death, when my mom had to adjust to life on her own and find a job?
The Irish funeral phenomenon has made me into a quiet, private mourner. I'm still trying to find a balance between Paddy-we-hardly-knew-ye' histrionics and stand-offishness.
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Date: 2006-01-17 01:03 am (UTC)But I'm sorry, K. That sounds horrible. How many wakes do your people have? (My Irish Catholicness is on my grandma's side and I never got to see it in action)
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Date: 2006-01-16 08:26 pm (UTC)Some of the most hurtful behavior I have ever seen has been around death -- often people getting angry at other people's "inappropriate" reactions, especially people that they were sure weren't that close or didn't have the "right" to feel as they did -- so I am more careful about my public behavior around death than just about anything else. One of the things that death has taught me a few times is that even the people we know well have huge areas of their life we don't know, and that knowing someone well can have almost no overlap with someone else's experience who knows them genuinely and equally well.
Anyway, just rambling.
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Date: 2006-01-16 09:49 pm (UTC)A couple of years ago I didn't go to the memorial of a former friend because I imagined I would be seen as an interloper. Last year I opted to go the memorial of an acquaintance, whom I was never close to and for all I know, may not have even liked me. He had played a crucial role in my community, I had benefited from his efforts, and I wanted to pay my respects and give thanks.
Our customs simply have not kept up with the changes in our culture, so when it comes to death the old rules usually apply. The family takes the lead, no matter how estranged they might have been. If you are a close friend, perhaps you can provide a bridge between family and friends and help create a more fitting final tribute. But really, these things are arranged so quickly and under such difficult circumstances that I think it's understandable if the family wants to follow tradition. As much as we see these services as honoring the deceased, they are equally if not more so to comfort the living.
While I've wondered whether my presence was appropriate or necessary in the past, I really doubt that the bereaved are keeping tabs. There is a hierarchy and for the most part it makes sense. We all have our place and maybe part of keeping our shit together is turning our attention towards the next closest person and so on. We bring our own unrelated dramas to these things and they affect our behavior and response, but it's important to remember that somewhere in that room is someone for whom this loss is visceral, brutal, profound, and we must honor them as well as the deceased.
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Date: 2006-01-17 03:46 am (UTC)My paternal grandmother took her husband's unveiling as an opportunity to let me know that my uncle (her daughter's husband, who had died a few years earlier) had actually committed suicide, and that my cousin had been the one who found him. In retrospect, I should have followed her example, canned my ambivalence, and pursued my true feelings of apathy about my grandfather's death to their very end.
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Date: 2006-01-17 03:32 pm (UTC)Our bad mourner experience wasn't at the memorial (ignoring the 30 minute sermon on how we were going to hell - dad would have liked that), it was at the hospital the night we disconnected him from life support. We had called all of the family in town to be there, his two pastors who were also good friends and a couple of close friends. In all about 11 people. Someone called the church prayer chain and told them what time it was going to happen so they could do, I guess, pray. He went pretty quickly, and after we signed the paperwork and they took his body back into the hospital (we did it outside, because we knew he wanted out of that room) we were walking to the parking lot when up comes the most annoying family from his church "We were waiting in the courtyard, why didn't someone come and get us!" she screeched. If I hadn't been so busy losing it, I would have lost it.
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Date: 2006-01-18 03:04 am (UTC)When I came back home from our trip to CA, I found out that I had missed the funeral of Lizzy. She was in my toddler class when I first started at the Y. At 21/2 she was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor; she was only supposed to live one more year. She was 5 when she died. Before I found out about the tumor she would have unexplainable crying jags and would shake when we went on walks around the block. All the teachers at the center cried when we found out - my tears were more for her parents that had to struggle to provide life saving treatment, knowing that it was prolonging the inevitable.
As a mother I go a big rubbery one when I hear of a child dying. No parent should outlive their child. It is my worst nightmare that I love and raise my girls just to have them taken away from me. I am terrified of them driving.
I've never been a first tier mourner, but empathize greatly for those who are/have been. That someday will be me. The reality of the inevitable burying of our parents someday was too apparent during our visit to CA. And I can't handle watching movies where the missionaries are killed as my sister and family live in a place where that is not uncommon.
Yes, competitive mourning is bad, bad, bad.
And those ties between us remain unbroken, indeed.
Love you too, G.
XOXO
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